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harry potter - What wand was used by Mr Graves at the time of Fantastic Beasts?



We know that the movie Fantastic Beasts is set in 1926. From the movie, we learn that at this time, Dumbledore is a teacher at Hogwarts and Grindelwald is lose after escaping a previous arrest. In the movie we learn that



Mr Graves is in fact Grindelwald in disguise. Grindelwald is shown to be at least in his forties, maybe fifties so he should already be the owner of the wand since he stole it from Gregorovitch as a teen.



We know that Dumbledore won the wand from Grindelwald after defeating him in their historic duel. That duel is always described as being “the end of the dark wizard Grindelwald” so I’m assuming that it didn’t happen prior to the movie and that he didn’t escape after that duel, please correct me if you have cannon evidence stating the contrary.



In the movie, we see Graves’ wand a few time and it isn’t the (very recognizable) one used in DH as the Elder Wand. This could of course be a prop error but since David Yates was also the director on DH and a lot of the visuals are similar I’m assuming it wasn’t. Graves could of course be using another wand in the fear that someone could recognize it but he would still be the rightful master of the Elder Wand. At the end of the movie, Newt is the one that disarms Graves/Grindelwald.



In all logic, he should have been made the new owner of the wand, whether Grindelwald was actually using it or not. That would have made it impossible for Dumbledore to win it from Grindelwald later.


So my question is: What wand is that character using at that specific time? Is he already the owner of the Elder Wand?




And if so, why wasn’t Newt made the new owner of the wand?




Answer



Read at your own risk; this is full of spoilers.


He should have the Elder Wand.


As you said, Grindelwald seems to be middle-aged when Fantastic Beasts is set. Grindelwald was born in 1883 (wiki) and Fantastic Beasts is set in 1926, when Grindelwald was in his 40's. His duel with Dumbledore took place in 1945. Here's a quote from book 7 about Grindelwald when he stole the Wand from Gregorovitch:



and there on the window ledge sat perched, like a giant bird, a young man with golden hair. In the split second that the lantern's light illuminated him, Harry saw the delight on his handsome face...




Obviously, he stole the Elder Wand before the events of the movie. So at the time when he impersonates Graves, he is the master of the Elder Wand.



But does he have the Elder Wand? No. This answer on movies.se shows that much better than I could. What wand is he using? Probably just Graves's own wand.


As for your last question about Newt, from what it looked like, Newt is now the master of the Elder Wand. Who knows if that was on purpose so it can be a plot point later on, or...not. Either way, we'll have to watch out for people Disarming Newt in later movies.


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