Skip to main content

star wars - Did Tyranus know that the Clones would be at the battle of Geonosis?


Count Dooku ordered the clone army as he impersonated Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas in order to get the clones commissioned.


In this scene, he wasn't surprised when the Army of the Republic arrives:





He was calm and relaxed when the clones landed. Did he really know that the clones were coming, considering that he had an allegiance with the Galactic Republic (secretly with Darth Sidious) and the Confederacy of Independent Systems?



Answer



Yes, he did


The dialogue at the end of the film between Dooku (Tyranus) and Palpatine (Sidious) makes it explicit that their plans had been fulfilled:




DARTH TYRANUS: The Force is with us, my Master.


DARTH SIDIOUS: Welcome home, Lord Tyranus. You have done well.


DARTH TYRANUS: I bring you good news, my Lord. The war has begun.


DARTH SIDIOUS: Excellent. Everything is going as planned.



The whole plot was carefully orchestrated to lead up to that point. Consider:



  • Jango, who was working for Dooku, made a clumsy attempt on Padme's life.



Seriously, there was no sensible reason for the assassination attempt. All it did was draw the Jedi's attention.



  • He leaves behind evidence from Kamino.


When his accomplice was about to talk, he shot her with a Kaminoan sabredart. He could have used a blaster bolt - a common, near-universal weapon, which leaves no physical evidence. Instead he used a weapon apparently unique to Kamino, which left behind physical evidence the Jedi could examine and trace back to Kamino.



  • When Jango meets Obi-wan, he behaves in a carefully provocative manner.


He gives obviously evasive answers, he leaves his armour where Obi-wan can see it, despite having ample warning to hide it - indeed, if you watch the scene, you see that he comes out of the room the armour was in, leaving the door open behind him. He stands between Obi-wan and the armour, then he moves aside, making sure Obi-wan can see the armour, and draws attention to it by having Boba go over and close the door.




  • Jango heads straight to Geonosis.


Again, why? Of all the places he could go after a fight with a Jedi, he goes running straight to his real employer?


So what we have is Dooku's chief henchman first leading the Jedi to Kamino, to discover the clone army that has been bred specifically for the Republic's use, then leading the same Jedi to Geonosis. Either Jango is seriously incompetent, or it was deliberate.




  • Dooku stalls, 'interrogating' Obi-Wan instead of just killing him right away. He waits for Obi-Wan's rescue to arrive, and when they aren't what he'd hoped for - just Anakin and Padme - he sets up an overly-elaborate and time-consuming execution for them.




  • After the battle with the Jedi, Dooku continues to stall. He offers the Jedi a chance to surrender. He takes his time ordering their death. He does everything he can. FINALLY, Yoda turns up with the clones, all hell breaks loose, and Dooku quickly gives up all hope and tells the separatist leaders to evacuate.





  • After the battle, Tyranus returns to Coruscant to meet with his master. The dialogue goes thus:







It is very clear from the dialogue that what happened was EXACTLY what they had planned.


The whole film consisted of Sidious and Tyranus leading the Jedi around by the nose, carefully laying out the pieces and waiting for them to bite.



Comments

Popular posts from this blog

languages - Do we ever see written English in the Star Wars films?

In Empire Strikes Back , we see a transcription of what R2's beeps and bloops mean, but it's not English (sorry for the low quality, it's from the 2004 DVDs): I'd assume it's what Basic looks like when written, but is there some point in the the Star Wars films we see written English instead? (This sort of spun off from a discussion in How do people understand astromech droids? .) Answer At one point there was English but it has been phased out in subsequent versions of the films. Chris Gould at DVD Active did a comparison of all versions of each of the Star Wars films, and in his comparison of Episode 4 , there are a couple of screenshots showing how the power gauge for the Death Star tractor beam was changed. I imagine there are probably more to be found in his other comparisons but I haven't got around to reading those yet.

Was the "pure soul" of Harry's what had really hurt Voldemort?

In the Order of the Phoenix, Voldemort possesses Harry, and it hurts. Greatly. I think that Dumbledore explained that it was because Voldemort's rotten soul was incapable of assimilating Harry's pure soul, that Voldemort didn't understand the love and friendship etc that Harry has in his heart. But, I think it was a lie. Remember that in Deathly Hallows, while looking for information regarding Horcruxes, it is discovered that it is in fact possible to merge a soul fragment back, but that the process was extremely painful. Now then, if Voldemort tried to possess Harry, and Harry had a fragment of Voldemort's soul, I think that it could have been the true cause of Voldemort's pain: the fact of having his soul so close of another fragment. I think that Dumbledore knew that fact, but had to lie to Harry because it was inappropriate to let him know that he had one of Voldemort's soul fragments at the moment. Is that right? Or was it truly the pure soul of Harry's...

star wars - What "exactly" happens when someone turns to the Dark Side?

When I saw the original Star Wars saga as a kid, the concept of the Dark Side imprinted in me was quite simple. You did a bad thing, so you're a bad person so you go to the Dark Side and keep doing bad things. Now, obviously this doesn't hold true in reality. In my mind it is perfectly reasonable for Luke to kill the Emperor and Vader and then just flee the Death Star and rejoin the Alliance. After all they are at war, those are enemy officers that have captured him and are taunting him by threatening with death of all loved ones and the whole operation was intended to kill the Emperor anyway. The same would hold true for Anakin. He could have killed Mace Windu to save the Chancellor and Padme but that doesn't mean he's going to then go mad and kill all Jedis including children. It doesn't add up from a merely psychological point of view. He had a set of objectives and that made him want to keep the Chancellor alive (quite valid by the way, Mace Windu is quite clums...

star trek - Warning regarding forward saucer section in Nemesis?

In Star Trek: Nemesis , just before the Enterprise rams into the Scimitar, Picard sends a text message from his captain's chair arm pad to Troi — who is manning the helm in lieu of the crewman who was just blown out through what was once the view screen — indicating that she should put full impulse on standby. (Literally, if you watch the scene closely, Troi's console prefaces the order with "TXT MSG" !) My question is: Did Picard also somehow warn crew members in the forward saucer section about what was about to happen? The ramming of the Scimitar was a heat of the moment decision. Considering that he also resorted to calling the auto-destruct sequence shortly after (which ended up being offline), he probably was of the mindset that any losses would be acceptable in order to hault Shinzon's march to Earth. Still, I'm curious. Answer The original script indicates that he called for the crew to " brace for impact ". Whether that call (or the comma...