Skip to main content

tolkiens legendarium - How old is Middle-earth?


I'm surprised that there isn't a duplicate for this.


This question about plate tectonics in Middle-earth got me thinking, that it is probably not old enough to have the lands shaped by geological processes. (As others explain in the answers that it not how middle earth was formed)


Generally, geological processes like mountain ranges rising take millions of years.


I tend to get confused about the early history of Arda, I believe there was a time before it existed as a physical world.


How long has Middle-earth existed as a physical entity?



Answer



There is an answer in Quora here. It's a nice summary, so I'm sharing it below.



To quote The Annals of Aman:




It is computed by the lore-masters that the Valar came to the realm of Arda, which is the Earth, five thousand Valian years ere the first rising of the Moon, which is as much as to say forty-seven thousands and nine hundred and one of our years.



That divides into 3500 Valian years (or 33,530 of our years) before the creation of the Two Trees, the 'Days without days'. Then 1495 years of the Trees (14,322 of our years), 'the Days of Bliss'. Then five years (48 of our years) of Darkness.


Total 5000 Valian years or 47,901 solar years from the Creation to the rising of the Sun and Moon.


The rest of the First Age was 590 solar years, the Second Age was 3441 years and the Third Age was 3021 years.


Grand total, up to the end of Lord of the Rings, 54,953 solar years.


In a letter written in 1958 Tolkien said that he imagined the gap between "the fall of Barad-dûr" and "our days" to be about 6,000 years.


Which would make Arda 60,000 years old, give or take a millennium.


That's from the most complete and detailed timeline Tolkien made, in the late 1950s. During the 1930s he was imagining the timescale to be about 20,000 years shorter.



By the 1960s he was of the mind that he should write that the universe was 14 billion years old and Arda itself 4.5 billion years old, and the whole story of its creation by the Valar, Varda making the Stars long after the Earth itself was made, and the origins of the Sun and Moon, was merely a Númenorean myth — but he never fleshed out this idea in detail.



You can find the mentioned script in The History of Middle-earth, Vol. X: Morgoth's Ring, Part Two.


Also, Tolkien changed his mind constantly. He invented languages and drew maps and etc. It's natural that you feel confused.


Comments

Popular posts from this blog

harry potter - Did Dolores Umbridge Have Any Association with Voldemort (or Death Eaters) before His Return?

I noticed that Dolores Umbridge was born during the first Wizarding War, so it's very likely she wasn't a Death Eater then (but she is pretty evil -- who knows?). After that Voldemort was not around in a way that could affect many people, and most wouldn't know he was planning to rise again. During that time, and up through Voldemort's return (in Goblet of Fire ), did Umbridge have any connection with the Death Eaters or with Voldemort? Was she doing what she did on her own, or was it because of an association with Voldemort or his allies? Answer Dolores Umbridge was definitely not a good person. However, as Sirius points out, "the world isn't split into good people and Death Eaters". Remember that he also says that he doesn't believe Umbridge to be a Death Eater, but that she's evil enough (or something like that). I think there are two strong reasons to believe that: Umbridge was proud to do everything according to the law, except when she trie...

futurama - How much time is lost in 'Time Keeps on Slippin''

In time Keeps on Slippin' , Farnsworth creates a basketball team which he matures by abusing Chronitons. This leads to time skipping forward by random, but ever increasing amounts. How much time was skipped in this way? Answer Unfortunately, I don't think a good estimate can be made for this, for two reasons: Many of the time skips move forward by an indeterminate amount of time. At one point, the Professor mentions localized regions of space skipping forward much more than others. We then see two young boys on the street below complaining about having to pay social security, only to suddenly become senior citizens and start complaining about wanting their money. Thus, each individual could have experienced a different amount of time skippage.

aliens - Interstellar Zoo story

I vaguely remember this story from my childhood: it was about an interstellar zoo that came to Earth with lots of bizarre and unusual species, and humans would file through and gape at all the crazy looking creatures from other planets. The twist came at the end when the perspective shifted to the other side of the bars and we discovered that the "creatures" were traveling through space on a kind of safari. They thought they were the visitors and we were the animals. Neither side knew that the other side thought they were the zoo creatures. Answer Got it. Zoo, by Edward D. Hoch. Published in 1958. Link to Publication History Link to PDF

tolkiens legendarium - Did Gandalf wear his Ring of Power throughout the trilogy?

After Gandalf discovered that Sauron was back and sent Frodo on his quest to Rivendell, did he continue to wear Narya (one of the Three Rings)? It seems like a huge risk to continue to wear it after the Nazgûl (Ringwraiths) started to try and reclaim the One Ring; if they managed to get the ring to Sauron, couldn't he be corrupted by his power? Whatever powers Narya bestows upon him couldn't possibly be worth the huge risk, could it? Answer When Sauron forged the one ring and put it on his finger, the other ring bearers were immediately aware of him and his intentions and removed their own rings. There is no reason why they couldn't merely do so again. As soon as Sauron set the One Ring upon his finger they were aware of him; and they knew him, and preceived that he would be master of them, and of all they wrought. Then in anger and fear they took off their rings. "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age," Silmarillion