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red sonja - Was Kalidor explicitly intended to be Conan?





  1. We know that Red Sonya movie - by virtue of being based on Red Sonya comics - is set in the Conan the Barbarian universe.




  2. It's clear that Kalidor character in the movie bears a close resemblance to Conan (down to Arnold Schwarzenegger playing him).




  3. I know that there are speculations that #2 was by design (meaning, it WAS Conan), and they didn't use the Conan name for the character only because of rights issues (Universal held rights to Conan, and Red Sonya was made by Famous Films).




Question is: Is there anything to confirm that Kalidor was explicitly intended to be Conan and would have been if not for rights/trademark/licensing issues; similar to Spiderman missing from Marvel Cinematic Universe because of Sony rights?



I'm interested in information originating with the movie creative team or the studio. Preferably with documented proof as opposed to hearsay. May be an early screenplay, or a studio pitch, or DVD feature or interview.



Answer



The short answer is yes and no (but mostly yes).


Background;


The film Red Sonja is based on the comic-book character Red Sonja (with a "j") created by Roy Thomas. This character was, in turn based on the character Red Sonya (with a "y") created by Robert E. Howard and seen in the short story "The Shadow of the Vulture".


This is backed up on the official Conan website;



The Red Sonya (with a “y”) character was created in 1934 by Robert E. Howard. Howard’s Red Sonya of Rogatino first appeared in the Howard story 'The Shadow of the Vulture'. She was a 16th century Russian woman fighter who participated in the battle against the Turks in Vienna. She had absolutely nothing to do with Conan, or the Conan world of Hyboria.


The Red Sonja (with a “j”) character was created by Roy Thomas in 1974 and was set in Conan’s Hyborian Age. This Red Sonja was the heroine of the 1985 Film entitled Red Sonja.




Film


Arnie was tied into a multi-picture deal with Dino de Laurentis and that Dino's strong desire was to create another Conan feature given the financial success of the two previous films. He'd even gone as far as pre-announcing that the next film would be based on the book "Conan the Conqueror".


Dino de Laurentis unfortunately faced two major obstacles, both of which related to his budget;



  1. The character rights for the Conan character were held by Universal and de Laurentis was evidently unable to secure them at a reasonable price.

  2. Arnold's bargain-basement salary deal meant that he couldn't be forced to work a full shooting schedule


Rather than simply abandon the whole project, de Laurentis had what must have seemed a master stroke. He managed to secure the rights to a less well known (and much cheaper) comic-book property called Red Sonja. Sonja was still set in the Hyborian universe which saved him from having to rethink the screenplay and he wouldn't need Arnie to work full time since he would effectively become the co-star of a Sonja film rather than the star of a Conan film. As an added bonus, his writers could simply rehash some existing Conan + Sonja books into the screenplay without having to worry about the rights issues.


Unfortunately for de Laurentis script issues, rock-bottom budget and dire casting choices would ultimately produce what Arnie referred to as "the worst film I've ever made".


In specific answer to your question; the party line is that Sonja and Conan will never meet. In reality, of course we can see that de Laurentis used the Sonja character rights as a figleaf for a 'Conan-in-all-but-name' film.



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