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harry potter - What does Ravenclaw mean by being clever?


As far as I am concerned, one is sorted into Ravenclaw when being highly intelligent or wise or scholar type.


In the real world, intelligence can be understood in different ways. Like there are people who are genius engineers, but struggle with simple grammar or those who extremely good in understanding other people's motives, but bad in math, or those who got wise views, but are not educated in general etc.



One would not question that Hermione is highly intelligent for example - she got all the features we normally see as signs of high IQ level: she is a scholar type with a good logical thinking, ability to analyze information, can understand other people well and find productive solutions in difficult situations.


But some Ravenclaw students does not seem that obvious which made me wonder what part of their personality was seen as "cleverness".



  • Gilderoy Lockhart does not seem as clever at all - he fails to predict the outcomes of his own actions, not capable of reading other people's reactions, is quite an incompetent wizard (apart from his memory charms) and even does not seem to value cleverness that much (he want to be famous for his bravery and heroic deeds, not necessarily intelligence).

  • Luna Lovegood. However I love Luna (who doesn't?) she doesn't seem to be particularly smart or scholar. She does show some amount of unexpected wisdom, but nothing we usually expect from people with high IQ level.

  • Cho Chang. We don't really know much about her, but she doesn't strike as an extra smart either. Why would it be her main feature of all?


I do not state the people in question were dumb, in fact I do believe all of them had their own share of wit. But the concept of being clever for Ravenclaw seems so vague that it looks like pretty anyone could be sorted in there, apart from some total trolls like Crabbe and Goyle.


So at the end of the day being a Ravenclaw says nothing about one's personality. My impression is they are just those who does not possess any prominent features required for other houses.



Answer





During Harry’s first year, the Sorting Hat describes the type of people who would find into each house. He described Ravenclaw as being the house for students with a ready mind, which most likely means those who are eager and willing to learn. This doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re already smart when they start at Hogwarts, just that they’re willing to learn.



“Or yet in wise old Ravenclaw,
If you’ve a ready mind,
Where those of wit and learning,
Will always find their kind;”
- Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, Chapter 7 (The Sorting Hat)



There does also seem to be an element of ‘natural’ intelligence included in the defining traits of Ravenclaw. Through the Sorting Hat’s description of her, Rowena Ravenclaw preferred to take the cleverest students, likely meaning the students who naturally had a certain degree of intelligence.




“For Ravenclaw, the cleverest
Would always be the best;”
- Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 12 (The Triwizard Tournament)



She also had said she thought Hogwarts should be for those whose intelligence was surest, which likely meant the young wizards who already had shown themselves to be smart.



“Said Ravenclaw, ‘We’ll teach those whose
Intelligence is surest.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 11 (The Sorting Hat’s New Song)




When the founders were alive to pick their own students, Rowena took the ones with the sharpest minds, which likely means they were quick at absorbing new knowledge.



“And only those of sharpest mind
Were taught by Ravenclaw”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 11 (The Sorting Hat’s New Song)



So, the defining traits of Ravenclaw seem to be intelligence and a willingness to learn.



Despite intelligence being one of the traits prized by Ravenclaw, not all smart people end up in Ravenclaw, because the Sorting Hat takes into consideration which house the student prefers. It’s also likely that some students who aren’t provably smarter than usual are put into Ravenclaw because of their preference or values rather than their actual abilities. The Sorting Hat was possibly going to put Hermione in Ravenclaw, but decided on Gryffindor instead.




“How come you’re not in Ravenclaw?’ he demanded, staring at Hermione with something close to wonder. ‘With brains like yours?’


‘Well, the Sorting Hat did seriously consider putting me in Ravenclaw during my Sorting,’ said Hermione brightly, ‘but it decided on Gryffindor in the end.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 11 (The Sorting Hat’s New Song)



In her case, this could be because she’d wanted to be a Gryffindor, because (as she said herself) she valued friendship and bravery over books and cleverness, or a combination of both.



“I’m not as good as you,’ said Harry, very embarrassed, as she let go of him.


‘Me!’ said Hermione. ‘Books! And cleverness! There are more important things – friendship and bravery and – oh Harry – be careful!”
- Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, Chapter 16 (Through the Trapdoor)




Hermione considered Gryffindor the best choice, with Ravenclaw her ‘second best’.



“I’ve been asking around and I hope I’m in Gryffindor, it sounds by far the best, I hear Dumbledore himself was one, but I suppose Ravenclaw wouldn’t be too bad …”
- Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, Chapter 6 (The Journey from Platform Nine and Three-Quarters)



That also means it’s likely other intelligent students might be put in a house other than Ravenclaw if they prefer it or value another trait more than intelligence. Similarly, students who aren’t obviously unusually intelligent might be in Ravenclaw because they value intelligence and learning, even if they themselves don’t necessarily have an objectively above average level of intelligence. I explain something similar for why students who don’t seem smart enough to have the cunning or ambition are in Slytherin, in my answer to this question: Why do less-bright students end up in Slytherin?


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