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the terminator - How did the police learn that John Connor's foster parents had been killed?


In the movie Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the T-1000 kills Todd and Janelle, John Connor's foster parents. The killings take place on the evening of the day he, and the T-800, arrived in 1995. In what seems like mere minutes after the killings, the police show up at Pescadero Mental Hospital and question Sarah Connor about the murders.


This seems rather difficult to explain. We see the T-1000 killing Todd on camera - it turns its arm into a giant knife and stabs him through the face. We don't see Janelle's death, but it is probably safe to assume that she, too, was stabbed to death. Stabbing is a very quiet way to kill someone, so it is not likely that the neighbors heard anything. If the T-1000 had shot them to death, it would be a different story entirely - it would be quite likely that the neighbors would have heard the gunshots, and therefore, called the police. But we can probably assume that the neighbors had nothing to do with the police discovering the murders.


It also appears that the only person who knew that Todd and Janelle were in danger was John, and although he calls home to warm them about the threat (which he does too late to save them, unfortunately), he never calls the police; indeed, once the T-800 confirmed that his foster parents were dead, he had no reason to call the police.


And yet, mere minutes after the killings occur, the police show up at the mental hospital and ask Sarah about it. They produce photos of the first T-800, from 1984, taken during his rampage through the police precinct in which he killed a billion cops. They say "These were taken in 1984." Then they pull out photos of the new T-800, taken in the mall shootout by a Japanese tourist. They say "And these were taken this afternoon."


Sarah is unresponsive. Her interrogator says:




Ms. Connor, we know you know who this guy is. I just sat here and told you that your son is missing... that the foster parents have been murdered. We know this guy's involved. Doesn't that mean anything to you? Don't you care?



But he never explains how he knows that a murder has taken place. There doesn't seem to be any logical explanation of how the police became aware of the crime.


Several factors combined to suggest that the police arrived at Pescadero within minutes, or at most, an hour or so, of the deaths.




  • It is dark out when Janelle/T-1000 kills Todd. It is also dark out when Sarah is interrogated. It is still dark out much later, after John and the T-800 have broken Sarah out of the hospital and begun to flee from the T-1000. This suggests that the killings, and the interrogation, happened relatively early in the night.





  • The Cop specifically says that the mall photos were taken earlier that same day. Again, enough time has passed for the cops to obtain the photos, but not probably not much more than that.




  • The T-800 and John have not yet arrived at Pescadero to save Sarah, which was the first real order John issued to the T-800. He probably demanded that the T-800 help him save Sarah as soon as the thought occurred to him, which probably didn't take very long.




  • The interrogation scene is Sarah's third questioning session since the movie began. Most mental hospitals wouldn't subject their patients to anything like this, and Sarah seems to be playing the part of the shell shocked lunatic drugged out of her mind and all but comatose from her medications.




Or rather, there is only one explanation that makes any sense to me. We do know that John's dog wasn't especially prone to barking. But as everyone knows, dogs can detect Terminators by scent, and bark like crazy when they sniff out a Terminator. When John calls home to warm Todd and Janelle, he hears his dog barking in the background, and if I'm not mistaken, he actually remarks about how unusual the barking is. If the dog, who is normally well behaved and quiet, suddenly burst into a fit of loud barking, it is conceivable that the neighbors might get annoyed and call 911. This could explain why the cops came to the house.



But it doesn't explain how and why the police got inside the house. To do that, they would need one of three things: A warrant, probable cause, or an invitation. They certainly didn't have an invitation, since the home owners were already dead. It seems unlikely that they would have a warrant either, because you don't get warrants for barking dog complaints. Could they have had probable cause? I don't see why they would. Probable cause means that the officer has very good reason to believe that a crime is being committed. Smelling pot smoke, hearing someone screaming in pain, that sort of thing. Unless the responding officer literally saw one or more of the corpses, or at least the blood from said corpses, he would not have probable cause to enter the home.


So how were the police able find out so quickly that Todd and Janelle were dead?



Answer



I think I understand the cause of your confusion; Once you learn that Max (AKA Wolfie) was killed by the T-1000 in a deleted scene and that the photo-taking tourist was present at the original police-station massacre, everything else falls into place.


The order of events is as follows;



  • The T-1000 acquires John at the Arcade.

  • John's friend (Tim) tells him to run, a firefight ensues nearby.

  • A tourist An off-duty policeman who was present at the original police-station massacre takes photos of the T-800

  • The police arrive and ask the witnesses whether they saw anything suspicious - (At this point, it's possible that John's friend told the police of John's sudden disappearance mere seconds before the firefight - He could also have given them Todd and Janelle's address).


  • The police collect and process the policeman's photos. They would have been told about the fact that this related to the infamous cop-killer. The name "Sarah Connor" would likely have been mentioned

  • The police would likely have heard that there was a policeman asking about a John Connor

  • Based on this intel, the police went around to the the Voight's house. They discover the dead dog and may have been able to see the corpses through the kitchen window.


Update - The T-1000 left the door open.


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