Skip to main content

harry potter - Was Mundungus Fletcher a Full Member of the Order?


The Death Eaters have full members (those with the Dark Mark) and affiliates (Fenrir Greyback, Scabior, etc) -- is it the same for the Order?


I'm wondering if Mundungus "Dung" Fletcher was actually part of the Order of the Phoenix, or whether he was more of an affiliate. On one hand, in Deathly Hallows, we learn that Dumbledore instructed Snape to plant the idea of the Seven Potters with Mundungus using a Confundus Charm, and the Order subsequently used the idea. Furthermore, Dung is trusted to watch over Harry in Order of the Phoenix, a task which he fails at miserably, as the Dementor attacks on Harry and Dudley occur while Dung has absconded from his post at Privet Drive to go see about some stolen cauldrons. He is trusted enough for the Order to let him into No. 12 Grimmauld and to know that is the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix.



On the other hand, Dung is a sneak thief who cleans out No. 12 Grimmauld and ends up being responsible for the the Slytherin locket Horcrux getting to Dolores Umbridge, and abandons Mad-Eye Moody in the Battle of the Seven Potters in Deathly Hallows, during which Moody is killed. We don't know what would've happened if Dung had not Disapparated from Moody's side, but if he had stuck around, it's possible he could have blocked a curse or stunned the Death Eater before the Death Eater could kill Moody.


Is there any canon, or a quote from J.K. Rowling, that verifies whether or not Mundungus Fletcher was a full member of the Order of the Phoenix?


Please, no HP Wikia or Wiki answers.



Answer



I think your question already contains the answer. Mundungus was privy to the biggest secret of the order at large (12 Grimmauld) and all of the negatives you listed stem from his choices/behavior and NOT from any difference of a position within the order that he held. So it looks like he was a full member. As an extra proof, he's one of the FIRST people Dumbledore notified once he learned of Voldemort's return at the end of GoF.


P.S. Overall, it doesn't appear that the Order is a ranked hierarchical organization on the same level as DEs - it's more of a mob loose flat conglomerate. You are either a member of the Order or not.


However, there are people not formally in the order who are allied/helping (e.g. civilians/underages like Molly Weasley during the First war and Hermione/Ron during the Second War). However, the affiliated civilians seem to be more defined by participating in operations than any hierarchy - e.g. Molly was birthing and raising the Weasley children during the First War and therefore wasn't an active member, not for any lack of trust/status.


Comments

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

fan fiction - Does the Interdict of Merlin appear in original Harry Potter canon?

In Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality by Eliezer Yudkowsky a concept called the ' Interdict of Merlin ' appears: (all emphasis added) Chapter 23: His hand on the doorknob, Harry Potter already inside and waiting, wearing his cowled cloak. "The ancient first-year spells," Harry Potter said. "What did you find?" "They're no more powerful than the spells we use now." Harry Potter's fist struck a desk, hard. "Damn it. All right. My own experiment was a failure, Draco. There's something called the Interdict of Merlin -" Draco hit himself on the forehead, realizing. "- which stops anyone from getting knowledge of powerful spells out of books, even if you find and read a powerful wizard's notes they won't make sense to you, it has to go from one living mind to another. I couldn't find any powerful spells that we had the instructions for but couldn't cast. But if you can't get them out of old books,
Post a Comment
Read more

Why didn't The Doctor or Clara recognize Missy right away?

So after it was established that Missy is actually both the Master, and the "woman in the shop" who gave Clara the TARDIS number... ...why didn't The Doctor or Clara recognize her right away? I remember the Tenth Doctor in The Sound of Drums stating that Timelords had a way of recognizing other Timelords no matter if they had regenerated. And Clara should have recognized her as well... I'm hoping for a better explanation than "Moffat screwed up", and that I actually missed something after two watchthroughs of the episode. Answer There seems to be a lot of in-canon uncertainty as to the extent to which Time Lords can recognise one another which far pre-dates Moffat's tenure. From the Time Lords page on Wikipedia : Whether or not Time Lords can recognise each other across regenerations is not made entirely clear: In The War Games, the War Chief recognises the Second Doctor despite his regeneration and it is implied that the Doctor knows him when they fir
Post a Comment
Read more

warhammer40k - What evidence supposedly supports Tau as related to the Necrontyr?

I've heard of rumours saying that the Tau from Warhammer 40K are in fact the Necrontyr. Is there anything that supports this statement, in WH40K canon? I just found this, on 1d4 chan 1 : Helping Necrons? Or are they Necrontyr descendants? An often overlooked issue is that Tau have no warp signatures, just like Necrons, hate Warpspawns and Warp in general, just like Necrons, have the exact same skull shape,stature and short lives, and the overwhelming need for Technology and beam weapons, JUST LIKE NECRONS. GW may have planned a race that simply prepares a pacified, multiracial galaxy for Necrons to feast upon, supported by Ethereals that have a C'tan phase blade. Then there is a reference of "dark seed in east" by the Deceiver, so the tricky C'tan might give Tzeentch the finger in the JUST AS PLANNED competition. Or maybe GW just has so little creativity that they simply made a new civ conforming to an Old One's standards without knowing it. Is this the connec
Post a Comment
Read more